Trolls being trolled

[badgerbag]

Looks like now what's happened is, someone from SA re-posted zathlazip/hypersurfaces/Rachel Moss's original post over on a sort of SA-meta-wank forum. They used her photo to make a new account, so that it looks as if she just reposted it herself.

So, this community of jokers is turning the misogynist firehose right back onto zathlazip. They're calling her names, evaluating whether or not they'd "do her", and mocking her for whining and trying to get the post taken down.

Looks like she did try and succeed in getting the post with its pages & pages of racist, sexist comments removed.

((edited: I found this post from an anonymous commenter on SA, who posted this exact text with the last names blanked out. I did not post it, but later, the person who did told me who they were.))

Rachel ____,

Taking secret photos of people at WisCon and posting harassment on Something Awful is more damaging than you realize. You did not post personal information, but forum goons are already starting to stalk people. You are hurting peoples' academic lives and real-world careers.

I'll refer you to your school's policies on sexual harassment:
http://www.oed.wisc.edu/sexualharassment/

If your post on Something Awful is still up on Wednesday, I'll contact Dr. _____ of the Department of Environmental Chemistry and Technology, explain the problem, and ask him to ask you to take it down.

I hope you put this to rest before it gets out of control.

See how her "friends" on SA mock her,

got an e-mail from someone at the con threating to report her writings to her college... She immediately caved and started crying asking the mods to delete the thread.

Normally this would get you made fun of by goons -- but since this is a girl the White Knight Action Patrol immediately swooped into action and deleted all traces of the thread from the Goldmine.

I'm surprised that SA took it down. They make a lot of money off popular posts like that one.

Most of that thread is more fat-person-hating and woman hating and photos from the con re-posted, with comments on our fuckability and ugliness. we are all ugly, fat lesbians. Yup, all of us. Just fyi.

One comment did kind of make me laugh about the clothing swap, they bet you could make a few hundred sweaters off the cat hair on those clothes. YEAH CRAZY CAT LADIES OF THE UNIVERSE UNITE!!

Then another bit cracked me up, under a photo of me and the birds of prey last year, some dude commented, "Is that cripple under the impression that a Wonder Woman T-shirt constitutes a Wonder Woman costume" Hallo... dumbass... I was ORACLE.

Other comments on photos of me,

"The irony of a super femnazi bitch wearing a Wonder Woman shirt is just too much for me to handle"

"So what's Wonder Cripple's superpower? Being able to walk?"


Actually, yes. Hahahah! It's a miracle, I can walk!

Anyway.

I'd like to go back to thinking about all the awesomeness at the con, and tonight will post some book lists and some more panel transcripts.






This is pretty sad. What a childish, hateful, stupid thing to do.

Comments

[moondancerdrake.livejournal.com]

Yes, troll crap aside...and flu...it was a great convention and I can't wait to see ya'll next year.

[bork.livejournal.com]

I'm on SA, but I didn't even see those threads, much less participate in them. (I pretty much stick to music, food, and Obama there).

[whumpdotcom.livejournal.com]

I'd suggest deleting your SA account.

[brownbetty]

Do you know how she was found out? I'm mostly just curious, really.

[(Anonymous)]

A few well-placed Google searches on her username led to her LiveJournal, which includes her school and real name in posts.

(I'm keeping anonymous on this because I worry about further SomethingAwful trollery.)

Also, hey, badgerbag, it might be good, if you're redacting for Zathlazip's privacy, to remove references to her academic department too.

[ginoushka.livejournal.com]

Ugh. People are just horrible sometimes. I mean, amusingly so, at least in terms of the stupid factor, but Jebus.

[sasha-feather.livejournal.com]

Hallo... dumbass... I was ORACLE.

Hahahaha!

Go you. I agree about posting her real name-- it's just not a secret now. I live in this town, I work for the university... it'd be easy for me to see her around.

[badgerbag.livejournal.com]

Ugh, I still can't stop thinking about it. I wonder what her "friends" at JohnCon (http://www.jhu.edu/johncon/) think about her now?

Maybe they are all totally confident of their thin beautifulness and immunity to mockery.

[revena.livejournal.com]

I can imagine the sorts of things the assholes are probably saying about me, so I think I won't actually go looking for them. :-P

It is pretty sad. I mean, if we all had the confidence to do the spandex-wearing superheroine thing despite any body-confidence issues we might have, what does it say about someone who can only get kicks by tearing women like us down?

[velourmane.livejournal.com]

I am so sorry.

I don't really know you -- I've met you at a couple cons, and we've chatted briefly. I've enjoyed your posts here sometimes, and over at the feminist SF blog.

Nevertheless, on the basis of that extremely tenuous acquaintance (as well as, you know, shared humanity), I am absolutely galled on your behalf. I am so sorry. I am so appalled by this whole series of events.

Good on Wiscon for handling it so well.

[commodorified.livejournal.com]

It was a great con and it was fabulous to meet you.

Also you are even hotter and cooler in person. :)

[badgerbag.livejournal.com]

hahah you were so funny the other night, i think you maybe had a few beers!

[mckennl.livejournal.com]

I would really love more panel transcripts and book lists. I've enjoyed the ones you've posted already.

The trolling is horrible but I hope everyone who goes through the comments on those pages remembers to remember the source. Such asshats.

[badgerbag.livejournal.com]

I will post them or links to them as soon as i get them up!

[mckennl.livejournal.com]

Also, I didn't get this:

"The irony of a super femnazi bitch wearing a Wonder Woman shirt is just too much for me to handle"


???? Like the real Wonder Woman would have anything to do with some SA poster's ass besides hurling it into space? I don't even understand this comment.

[marlowe1.livejournal.com]

You know that she's a fictional character, right?

[sheana.livejournal.com]

Hey, I just wanted to say, thank you for this post. I wasn't there, but I'm glad to see someone who was there write a public entry denouncing this kind of BS. I think you posted in one of my ragey posts in another comm, but the thing that really gets me is that she says she identifies as a feminist, and has (until now, I guess) seemed to, generally, get basic feminist principles. But, uh, guess not.

Do you mind if I link to this on mah public blog? It's a good write-up of what happened, and I think that, at this point, it's not something she should be allowed to just sweep under the rug.

[badgerbag.livejournal.com]

sure... I expect someone will do a super rational round up of it all, as soon as we all explode-and-calm...

[sdn.livejournal.com]

wow. just ... wow.

and apparently she went last year, too.

[jhkim.livejournal.com]

So she claims to not have known about the SASS site. But this profile,

http://sass.buttes.org/forum/profile.php?id=666559763

(with a username of all special characters) has been around since November 2007, and seems to have a similar posting style -- notably fat-bashing posts like:

http://sass.buttes.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=18149
http://sass.buttes.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=18090

[badgerbag.livejournal.com]

Did you have to login to see those? I can't find them!

We are bigger!

[maryread.livejournal.com]

What you said. You are awesome in your powers.

Honestly, I go home, sleep twelve hours, get up and check LJ and it's like an asteriod hit the hotel while I was out.

This Rachel person has toasted her career, by posting thoughtlessly and without respect for the mystic power of words. To me it looked like she has worked up some kind of jaded misanthropic misogynistic pose persona online, that is now mixed up with her Real Life. Whether she was trying for that effect, or not.

I was talking to my kid on the phone (in college)(who used to go to WisCon as a kid but apparently missed the fat activism stuff, as it was not on his radar) and he was then able to google the incident quite easily, even without any of the details... So I hope this will lead to some good discussion.

We are bigger than that! Ha ha! the bigger people, right!

Re: We are bigger!

[rhipowered.livejournal.com]

To me it looked like she has worked up some kind of jaded misanthropic misogynistic pose persona online, that is now mixed up with her Real Life. Whether she was trying for that effect, or not.

Exactly. Personally, I think that people who can't face the consequences of anything they do on the internet potentially coming back to bite them need a massive reality check, and it's a pity that no one at SA will learn anything from this incident. I know it's something I personally consider every single day...and I like how she's making herself all martyred in her own LJ.

Incidentally, SA makes me hate the fact that there's a big cadre of fellow Obama supporters out there who are that big of assholes. Way to go, Rachel, you've just made everything you touch turn to anything but gold.

[cynthia1960.livejournal.com]

Ah, my dad's favorite karmic law "What goes around, comes around" kicks in. I will admit that I have asked some folks to invoke the Threefold Rule in the manner of their particular spiritual tradition. This woman needs help after the lesson that actions have consequences takes hold.

[badgerbag.livejournal.com]

I do really wish her help and support. I hope she can face up to this, that she keeps getting psych help, and that the people who love her can help her through her issues.

I started crying after I read her story about bulemia, it is really sad to think of the conflicts she has - we all have them to some extent. It is the difference of winning out, and behaving as a free person and living with joy & love which I know sounds corny but it is where so many people I see at WisCon ARE. Where, she is in a sort of horrible cycle or trap, being caught, and trying to demonstrate how much she is Not That Thing That is Hateable.

[upstart-crow.livejournal.com]

This and the plague aside, this year's WisCon was the best ever.

It was so lovely talking with you :). You have my email, yes?

[badgerbag.livejournal.com]

You joke, but it is true about the Dworkin and the whip!

[bork.livejournal.com]

Then I am part of the problem.

I feel that I do more good there by actually talking about issues like racism, than I would by avoiding them completely. I believe in dialogue. Sorry you got hurt, Liz, but I am not shunning an entire community because of a minority's actions.

And, I can apt for Liz!

[badgerbag.livejournal.com]

Oh, I believe you there's more in those forums than this sort of thing. I mean after all, shit happens on LJ and here I still am.

[pantryslut.livejournal.com]

Absolutely 100% the same person wrote that note and the post. They use the same language, note.

[bork.livejournal.com]

You know, in thinking about all of this, I'm wondering why I *haven't* gone to Wiscon all these years. Instead, I've been wasting my time with Norwescon, which is just completely dull these days.

I am liking all the discourse that's coming out of this.

[xkidmidnightx.livejournal.com]

lol, you look like such a retard. that is the lamest pic ever

[xkidmidnightx.livejournal.com]

"One comment did kind of make me laugh about the clothing swap, they bet you could make a few hundred sweaters off the cat hair on those clothes. YEAH CRAZY CAT LADIES OF THE UNIVERSE UNITE!!
"


Hey, how about you dont fucking laugh at my comment. Seriously robogimp

[charnasfan88.livejournal.com]

I am in the background of one of these pictures on sass... how crazy are these sass people, should I be afraid?

SASS person here

[(Anonymous)]

No, as a general rule they're crazy and fiercely racist but ultimately harmless. They're too afraid of a black guy walking across the street to do anything.

[charnasfan88.livejournal.com]

the girl who took the pictures is posting on that sass place now, she called the bloggers "fat creeps" and is trying to get them to delete the thread because her boss is mad. he should be mad!

We are full of win.

[(Anonymous)]

You should not fool around with sass.org, it's a place of hatred and shame. Just read some of the comments.

Don't mess with those crazy SASS motherfuckers

[(Anonymous)]

One of them was quoted in a Wired Magazine article on griefing threatening to rape and kill someone's infant daughter amidst a dispute over $10.
See here: http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-02/mf_goons?currentPage=5

Ozma

[(Anonymous)]

fat and so are you dykes suck a cock

Re: Ozma

[(Anonymous)]

Whose? I know you aren't talking about yourself? You couldn't even get some toothless cokehead hooker with track marks on her arms to suck your 2 incher.