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Looks like now what's happened is, someone from SA re-posted zathlazip/hypersurfaces/Rachel Moss's original post over on a sort of SA-meta-wank forum. They used her photo to make a new account, so that it looks as if she just reposted it herself.

So, this community of jokers is turning the misogynist firehose right back onto zathlazip. They're calling her names, evaluating whether or not they'd "do her", and mocking her for whining and trying to get the post taken down.

Looks like she did try and succeed in getting the post with its pages & pages of racist, sexist comments removed.

((edited: I found this post from an anonymous commenter on SA, who posted this exact text with the last names blanked out. I did not post it, but later, the person who did told me who they were.))


Rachel ____,

Taking secret photos of people at WisCon and posting harassment on Something Awful is more damaging than you realize. You did not post personal information, but forum goons are already starting to stalk people. You are hurting peoples' academic lives and real-world careers.

I'll refer you to your school's policies on sexual harassment:
http://www.oed.wisc.edu/sexualharassment/

If your post on Something Awful is still up on Wednesday, I'll contact Dr. _____ of the Department of Environmental Chemistry and Technology, explain the problem, and ask him to ask you to take it down.

I hope you put this to rest before it gets out of control.



See how her "friends" on SA mock her,

got an e-mail from someone at the con threating to report her writings to her college... She immediately caved and started crying asking the mods to delete the thread.

Normally this would get you made fun of by goons -- but since this is a girl the White Knight Action Patrol immediately swooped into action and deleted all traces of the thread from the Goldmine.


I'm surprised that SA took it down. They make a lot of money off popular posts like that one.

Most of that thread is more fat-person-hating and woman hating and photos from the con re-posted, with comments on our fuckability and ugliness. we are all ugly, fat lesbians. Yup, all of us. Just fyi.

One comment did kind of make me laugh about the clothing swap, they bet you could make a few hundred sweaters off the cat hair on those clothes. YEAH CRAZY CAT LADIES OF THE UNIVERSE UNITE!!

Then another bit cracked me up, under a photo of me and the birds of prey last year, some dude commented, "Is that cripple under the impression that a Wonder Woman T-shirt constitutes a Wonder Woman costume" Hallo... dumbass... I was ORACLE.

Other comments on photos of me,

"The irony of a super femnazi bitch wearing a Wonder Woman shirt is just too much for me to handle"

"So what's Wonder Cripple's superpower? Being able to walk?"


Actually, yes. Hahahah! It's a miracle, I can walk!

Anyway.

I'd like to go back to thinking about all the awesomeness at the con, and tonight will post some book lists and some more panel transcripts.






This is pretty sad. What a childish, hateful, stupid thing to do.


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[identity profile] brdgt.livejournal.com
2008-05-27 09:02 pm UTC (link)
I am in these photos and zooming in would reveal my full name, town, and LJ name. These are all things I'm fine with people knowing (I wouldn't have put them on the badge if I wasn't), but it doesn't mean that I don't feel horribly violated by this.

I totally agree that this should be an opportunity to make people aware of internet safety, but I also think that the con should be considered a safe space.

Let's hope some good comes out of this!

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[identity profile] mckennl.livejournal.com
2008-05-27 09:44 pm UTC (link)
I would really love more panel transcripts and book lists. I've enjoyed the ones you've posted already.

The trolling is horrible but I hope everyone who goes through the comments on those pages remembers to remember the source. Such asshats.

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[identity profile] mckennl.livejournal.com
2008-05-27 09:46 pm UTC (link)
Also, I didn't get this:

"The irony of a super femnazi bitch wearing a Wonder Woman shirt is just too much for me to handle"


???? Like the real Wonder Woman would have anything to do with some SA poster's ass besides hurling it into space? I don't even understand this comment.

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[identity profile] sheana.livejournal.com
2008-05-27 10:28 pm UTC (link)
Hey, I just wanted to say, thank you for this post. I wasn't there, but I'm glad to see someone who was there write a public entry denouncing this kind of BS. I think you posted in one of my ragey posts in another comm, but the thing that really gets me is that she says she identifies as a feminist, and has (until now, I guess) seemed to, generally, get basic feminist principles. But, uh, guess not.

Do you mind if I link to this on mah public blog? It's a good write-up of what happened, and I think that, at this point, it's not something she should be allowed to just sweep under the rug.

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[identity profile] sdn.livejournal.com
2008-05-27 10:40 pm UTC (link)
wow. just ... wow.

and apparently she went last year, too.

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[identity profile] jhkim.livejournal.com
2008-05-27 10:44 pm UTC (link)
So she claims to not have known about the SASS site. But this profile,

http://sass.buttes.org/forum/profile.php?id=666559763

(with a username of all special characters) has been around since November 2007, and seems to have a similar posting style -- notably fat-bashing posts like:

http://sass.buttes.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=18149
http://sass.buttes.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=18090

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[identity profile] badgerbag.livejournal.com
2008-05-27 11:13 pm UTC (link)
Did you have to login to see those? I can't find them!

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[identity profile] maryread.livejournal.com
2008-05-27 11:16 pm UTC (link)
What you said. You are awesome in your powers.

Honestly, I go home, sleep twelve hours, get up and check LJ and it's like an asteriod hit the hotel while I was out.

This Rachel person has toasted her career, by posting thoughtlessly and without respect for the mystic power of words. To me it looked like she has worked up some kind of jaded misanthropic misogynistic pose persona online, that is now mixed up with her Real Life. Whether she was trying for that effect, or not.

I was talking to my kid on the phone (in college)(who used to go to WisCon as a kid but apparently missed the fat activism stuff, as it was not on his radar) and he was then able to google the incident quite easily, even without any of the details... So I hope this will lead to some good discussion.

We are bigger than that! Ha ha! the bigger people, right!

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[identity profile] rhipowered.livejournal.com
2008-05-27 11:25 pm UTC (link)
To me it looked like she has worked up some kind of jaded misanthropic misogynistic pose persona online, that is now mixed up with her Real Life. Whether she was trying for that effect, or not.

Exactly. Personally, I think that people who can't face the consequences of anything they do on the internet potentially coming back to bite them need a massive reality check, and it's a pity that no one at SA will learn anything from this incident. I know it's something I personally consider every single day...and I like how she's making herself all martyred in her own LJ.

Incidentally, SA makes me hate the fact that there's a big cadre of fellow Obama supporters out there who are that big of assholes. Way to go, Rachel, you've just made everything you touch turn to anything but gold.

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[identity profile] jhkim.livejournal.com
2008-05-27 11:43 pm UTC (link)
It appears you do. Registration for SASS is simple and doesn't cost anything, though.

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[identity profile] badgerbag.livejournal.com
2008-05-27 11:58 pm UTC (link)
hahah you were so funny the other night, i think you maybe had a few beers!

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[identity profile] badgerbag.livejournal.com
2008-05-27 11:58 pm UTC (link)
I will post them or links to them as soon as i get them up!

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[identity profile] badgerbag.livejournal.com
2008-05-27 11:59 pm UTC (link)
sure... I expect someone will do a super rational round up of it all, as soon as we all explode-and-calm...

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[identity profile] commodorified.livejournal.com
2008-05-28 12:03 am UTC (link)
Oh God. What did I do? What did I say? Have I shamed myself forever?

*points at icon*

It was gin, actually. Lots and lots of lovely gin. :)

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[identity profile] whooz-queen.livejournal.com
2008-05-28 12:07 am UTC (link)
Google her enough, and you'll find that she links herself to the pro-ana movement (in an lj post on a community which commented upon the suicide of a pro-anorexic forum leader). Rachel also pops up in other places, questioning the idea of 'supporting' fat feminists whilst barely hiding her disgust. At a guess, I'd say the whole fat-hating thing is a self-loathing streak a mile deep.

Even if she decides to delete that LJ, the situation is big enough now that future employers, future con organisers and so on are going to recognise her name and actions. If she was a smart chickadee, she'd do a large mea culpa post on her LJ, detailing what she did wrong, why she was wrong to do it and how she will be changing her attitude in the future. At the moment, her LJ reactions (in response to friends) smack of 'grumpy teenager who was caught doing the wrong thing but isn't really sorry'.

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[identity profile] sheana.livejournal.com
2008-05-28 12:10 am UTC (link)
1. Oh hai! Somehow, I didn't even connect that you might be involved/close to this event. But, uh, duh, Wisconsin & Cons.

2. Yeah, um, she really does. She poses as some huge feminist, but then participates in this fatphobic, misogynist BS. It's distressing, and disappointing, and really, really disgusting. And, what's worse, it makes me really uncomfortable at the thought of going to *any* major events like this in the future; like, should I be worried that there's a Rachel Moss at Comic Con this summer? Should I be afraid to be harassed by the likes of her at various other feminist events that also include a focus on body?

Gross.

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[identity profile] badgerbag.livejournal.com
2008-05-28 12:10 am UTC (link)
I think you screamed something lke "OH MY GOD I'm so MAD at you for not telling me earlier you were SO SMOKIN' H4WT"

You were so drunk, I actually heard you talking in L33t!

I didn't have a suitably witty answer - it was too late at night!

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[identity profile] annaoj.livejournal.com
2008-05-28 12:12 am UTC (link)
Given what she said about Fatosphere blogs in her post, I'm pretty much certain she was the leaver of the 'parrot' note.

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[identity profile] cynthia1960.livejournal.com
2008-05-28 12:12 am UTC (link)
Ah, my dad's favorite karmic law "What goes around, comes around" kicks in. I will admit that I have asked some folks to invoke the Threefold Rule in the manner of their particular spiritual tradition. This woman needs help after the lesson that actions have consequences takes hold.

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[identity profile] badgerbag.livejournal.com
2008-05-28 12:13 am UTC (link)
Well, my answer to #2 is No, I would pit WisCon's wit, coherence, and Internet asskicking over a bunch of dumb trolls, any day.

Yeah they're scary and annoying but we are much stronger than they are.

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[identity profile] upstart-crow.livejournal.com
2008-05-28 12:14 am UTC (link)
This and the plague aside, this year's WisCon was the best ever.

It was so lovely talking with you :). You have my email, yes?

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[identity profile] badgerbag.livejournal.com
2008-05-28 12:17 am UTC (link)
Ktempest says it well: http://tempest.fluidartist.com/2008/05/27/i-have-not-even-begun-to-be-angry/

I was scrolling through the thread and looking at the pictures and, instead of being ashamed that I associate myself with such people (horrors!), I couldn’t help but think of how beautiful all those images are. They are pictures of beautiful women of all sizes smiling, having fun, loving where they are and what they’re doing. These are the poeple I go to WisCon to be around. And nothing those half-brained monkeys on that forum say can make me feel any different. You wanna call me out as a fat loser? You go right ahead. But it’s plainly evident that I not only have more class than you, I also have a better life and better friends.


I so agree, i looked at those photos and was like, OMG, so beautiful, fun, laughing, gorgeous, and I love all of you so much.

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[identity profile] rhipowered.livejournal.com
2008-05-28 12:21 am UTC (link)
o hai yourself! I was gonna comment to you at the other comm, but I usually just lurk there. I had a WisCon membership but ended up unable to go this year, unfortunately, for money reasons.

I totally hear your fears. It seems like no one was left exempt from the crap, really, and that kind of destruction of good space in fandom and in feminism makes me really, really sad.

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[identity profile] upstart-crow.livejournal.com
2008-05-28 12:22 am UTC (link)
Yes. I saw the original SA post, and she used very similar language to whomever wrote that note.

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[identity profile] sheana.livejournal.com
2008-05-28 12:23 am UTC (link)
I know, and my logical mind tells me it's just idiots belittling all these gorgeous people who were happy and enjoying themselves. But the rest of me is just so pissed that anyone would see that, see so much awesomeness and happiness, and decide that's something worth taking a dump on.

A year ago, maybe two, some troll from [livejournal.com profile] fatshionista had gone through the comm, taken pictures, and posted them in some online forum. Included there was a photo of my girlfriend, who I know is gorgeous and felt good, but still... you just can't help feeling all rage-y. Bleargh.

But I'm glad folks (including Ktempest) are able to look at it from another angle.

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