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The best bits off camera
May. 25th, 2008 07:32 amMan it is no fair every time I would turn off the little camera Naamen would start flipping out and saying something outrageous about alien dick.
There was some detailed conversation about Derek Bell's "Space Traders" (it is in Dark Matter) and its sequel "Aliens in a land called home" and how there is a Space Traders movie which was only on VHS but sometimes turns up on Amazon, used.
Susan Wright story, aliens come and will cure everything, the government just has to sell people to them and it ends up being for horrible torture and if that was it, that would suck, but in the sequel to that one she (main char) fights in revolution against aliens and the government.
Several people told interesting stories with the theme of, a fucked up thing happening and then a person calling the fucker-upper on it and them coming back with "shut up you fat bitch". The use of "fat bitch" to end discussion like it is the ultimate trump that means you don't get to say anything or have any boundaries!
What to do in the WTF moment (ktempest talkinga bout this) when you are offended against or it isn't you but you know it is incredibly offensive to someone, what to do? How to act? What to say?
Me: *vague theory about how now we have increasing trust that we get to respond later, time delay, and in public call it out and now wiscon has that expectation now*
ladyjax: hollaback moments. hollaback nyc site.
ktempest: i whip out my camera and they go away (on street harassment)
Hmmmmm! That's a thought!
ldyjax talking about running a con (what con, i have never been?) and we talked about femslash & slash & yaoicon & naamen told us about the yaoicon auction & charliegrrl also did. i had trouble articulating my discomfort there. something about sex work, and context, and race, and especially, thinking of my son and just having my brain fry. Will try to articulate later. ladyjax said it well though about deciding to do a thing in a feminist context where you are pretty sure it is and will stay there, vs. not.
(a couple more videos coming in a minute, need to switch connections)
(I am NOT drunk in this video, just really tired, it's 1am or so, 3rd night in a row staying up late.)
What I learned at WisCon
I swear to god every time I'd think the naamen had wound down suddenly he was bubbling with the goddamned muppet heads or vampires and werewolves looking for an apartment until I was hysterical with laughter.
There was some detailed conversation about Derek Bell's "Space Traders" (it is in Dark Matter) and its sequel "Aliens in a land called home" and how there is a Space Traders movie which was only on VHS but sometimes turns up on Amazon, used.
Susan Wright story, aliens come and will cure everything, the government just has to sell people to them and it ends up being for horrible torture and if that was it, that would suck, but in the sequel to that one she (main char) fights in revolution against aliens and the government.
Several people told interesting stories with the theme of, a fucked up thing happening and then a person calling the fucker-upper on it and them coming back with "shut up you fat bitch". The use of "fat bitch" to end discussion like it is the ultimate trump that means you don't get to say anything or have any boundaries!
What to do in the WTF moment (ktempest talkinga bout this) when you are offended against or it isn't you but you know it is incredibly offensive to someone, what to do? How to act? What to say?
Me: *vague theory about how now we have increasing trust that we get to respond later, time delay, and in public call it out and now wiscon has that expectation now*
ladyjax: hollaback moments. hollaback nyc site.
ktempest: i whip out my camera and they go away (on street harassment)
Hmmmmm! That's a thought!
ldyjax talking about running a con (what con, i have never been?) and we talked about femslash & slash & yaoicon & naamen told us about the yaoicon auction & charliegrrl also did. i had trouble articulating my discomfort there. something about sex work, and context, and race, and especially, thinking of my son and just having my brain fry. Will try to articulate later. ladyjax said it well though about deciding to do a thing in a feminist context where you are pretty sure it is and will stay there, vs. not.
(a couple more videos coming in a minute, need to switch connections)
(I am NOT drunk in this video, just really tired, it's 1am or so, 3rd night in a row staying up late.)
What I learned at WisCon
I swear to god every time I'd think the naamen had wound down suddenly he was bubbling with the goddamned muppet heads or vampires and werewolves looking for an apartment until I was hysterical with laughter.
